Friday, October 16, 2009

Looking for Someone to Ban? Here’s Wynne Arboleda

wynne arboleda and a fan

It’s almost funny, now, the way the Burger King Whoppers front office was hurling threats of a lifetime ban at rookie Japeth Aguilar for refusing to sign a contract with the team that drafted him. If you’re looking for somebody to ban, someone who really deserves it, look no further than your own bench.

In what was one of the more surreal moments in PBA history, Burger King point guard Wynne Arboleda went charging into the front row of the stands and threw a kick and several punches at a fan, later identified to be Alain Katigbak, during a game against the Smart Gilas National Team. Katigbak, a fan of the Smart Gilas, was said to be hurling invectives at Arboleda and the Whoppers all game long. At some point, the highly physical BK point guard just cracked, and maybe put his career in jeopardy by going after the fan.

It was shades of Malice at the Palace, the infamous brawl that involved then-Indiana Pacers forward Ron Artest. Anybody who saw that frightening scene, where Artest was surrounded by panicked fans, throwing punches at whoever was close enough, would never forget it.

The Arboleda incident was much of the same. Wynne claims after the game that Katigbak was “not there to cheer for (Smart Gilas)” and was instead “looking for a fight.” TV replays clearly show he was not. When Arboleda attacked Katigbak, not once did the fan hit back. He threw up his arms over his head and defended himself.

Arboleda is also quoted as talking about fan responsibility. That was a topic widely discussed in the aftermath of the Palace brawl. And while I agree that there should be a certain level of decorum that spectators should observe, players like Arboleda should be the last people responsible to bring them to justice.

This issue is less about fan responsibility, and more on player responsibility. After all, this is the third time in the calendar year where a player has had an altercation with a fan. This, though, is the first time TV cameras witnessed a player putting his hands on the spectator and dish out physical abuse.

Arboleda can say what he wants about fans “crossing the line” with their comments. Both Marlou Aquino and Danny Ildefonso claimed that insults were directed to their families, which prompted them to action. But one can respond in the like, verbally, and we can all go on with our lives. Arboleda “crossed the line” literally when he went over the divider and into the stands and attacked Katigbak.

Utterly unacceptable.

If a fan were to rush onto the court and hit one of the PBA players, we would be crucifying the person on the spot. There is no reason for us not to do the same with Arboleda.

Ban him from the PBA.

Artest got away with a lengthy suspension. Teammate Stephen Jackson, who followed Artest to the stands, was given a suspension, too. Arboleda should not be allowed to get away with the same. The case is different. In the Artest incident, TV replays clearly showed the fan initiating the melee by heaving a cup of beer at Artest. That crossed the line. While I don’t condone Artest’s actions, I can understand it. It was, in terms we basketball fans can understand, second motion.

Arboleda’s was not. Ginebra team manager Allan Caidic, who was present at the venue, says that the fan truly was abusive with his language towards Burger King. But foul language and physical attacks are two different things. And especially so in the context of fan-player interaction.

Ban him from the PBA.

And consider how it all played out. Smart Gilas came into the game ready to play basketball. Burger King, it seemed, came ready for a fight. Arboleda, in particular, looked like he was out to end somebody’s playing career. There were four flagrant fouls called on the Whoppers in the first half of action. One was on Gary David, a call I disagreed with, actually. David hit his guy hard, but it was not a dirty play. The others, though, were.

Arboleda got away with only a regular foul when he clotheslined former DLSU Green Archer JV Casio on a drive. Later in the half, he threw an elbow to Casio’s face while fighting through a screen. That was his first flagrant foul. BK rookie Ronnie Matias got in on the action when he sent Smart Gilas captain Chris Tiu sprawling with a well-directed hit to the chest off a rebounding situation. And it all blew up on a play when Mac Baracael got out on the break with only Arboleda to beat. Instead of going up to challenge the taller Baracael’s shot, Arboleda chose to go under, what we like to call “sahod”, to keep the Smart Gilas forward from scoring.

At this point, no one except the staunchest of Burger King supporters were being fooled into thinking this was a basketball game. This was a message, plain and simple, to the Smart Gilas boys masquerading as men as a guest team in the rough-and-tumble PBA.

Don’t mess with us, Burger King said.

And it worked. Tiu later blogged that they “expected (the physicality), but we didn’t see it coming this bad” and “our players became hesitant to drive to the basket and dive for loose balls.” Burger King turned a 13-point Smart Gilas lead in the 2nd quarter into a 10-point victory at the end of the game. Tiu called it “a fitting initiation for us in our debut game in the PBA.”

It’s difficult to take Arboleda seriously, then, if and when he attempts to show remorse over his actions with Katigbak. If anybody was out there looking for a fight, it was Wynne.

And that’s no surprise, considering who was coaching him. Yeng Guiao was the coach once caught on TV giving instructions to his players to intentionally hurt the opposing team. Yeng Guiao was the coach once thrown out of the game after he elbowed Dondon Hontiveros when the SMB player hit a three in front of Guiao’s bench. Yeng Guiao was the coach who nurtured the now-notorious Jimwell Torion, famous for breaking Jimmy Alapag’s nose in garbage time. And yes, Yeng Guiao was the coach humiliated by Rajko Toroman and Smart Gilas during the charity game rout over Powerade Team Pilipinas.

Katigbak may have his faults. And so does the Araneta Coliseum management for not doing more to prevent the situation. Had they kicked the fan out when he began to be abusive, this whole thing would never have happened. Had the big guys in yellow, the supposed “bouncers”, stepped in earlier, Arboleda would not have had the opportunity to take so many cracks at Katigbak.

(Apparently, there’s a rule that the bouncers are not allowed to touch players.)

Regardless, Arboleda crossed the line, plainly and simply. He was wrong, and he deserves much more than a slap on the wrist for this. He is a professional basketball player. And he has a responsibility to remain professional. His actions last night, both on the court and off it, exposed him as a goon. Not a professional.

There is no place for people like that in this league. There is no excuse for those kinds of actions in this league. Don't give him a suspension or a big fine. His actions don't deserve that kind of leniency. This is an unprovoked player, going into the stands and beating up a fan. Yes, a fan. That could have been you, and that could have been me. Because apparently, for guys like Wynne Arboleda, that barrier that separates the stands from the court does not exist.

His actions don't deserve any leniency. Ban him from the PBA.

69 comments:

trix said...

welcome to the PBA, Gilas. There should be a barrier between the court and where Katigbak was sitting. I watched the game live and it was so easy to go to the court from where Katigbak was sitting. I kind of like the rough play for Gilas as this will only make the better. For all the adversities Yeng gives to Gilas, they should thank him as this will make these boys turn into men. We can't afford to have boys fighting for us in FIBA.

Lifetime ban? Isn't it too much? I get your point but maybe a suspension for 1 -2 year/s should be enough. Too bad he'll be gone. He will be surely missed ON the court.

jeeru said...

i agree. i dont think fans have the right at all to verbally abuse players like that. i really hate all those fans who curse at players and trash talk. just enjoy the game damn it!. nonetheless, that play by arboleda on baracael was just dirty. physicality is okay, but being dirty is inexcusable. in any league, that was a dirty and dumb play and for that arboleda deserves all the profanity that can be thrown at him. the fan was wrong for what he did, but nothing justifies going into the stands and attacking a fan. its unprofessional, its stupid.

j_myxx said...

@trix
we're talking fan here. if he went and hit another player, that would be bad, but yeah, suspend him. fans are another matter altogether. am i excusing the actions of katigbak? nope. ban him, too. but wynne can't do that. there are limits to the player-fan interaction and getting hit should never be part of it. ever.

again, if katigbak went on court and hit wynne, would you give him a two-year suspension?

j_myxx said...

@jeeru
agree. verbal abuse is not okay. but regardless, you shouldn't get hit for it. you should be thrown out.

j_myxx said...

@trix
haha. and yeah, yeng might be doing gilas a favor. but you think yeng is doing it for the right reasons. thats probably the last thing on his mind.

also, i like rough, physical play. gilas will encounter that in international ball. dirty play? doesnt help so much.

pakshet101 said...

Dude, in the Yeng Guiao corner you forgot to mention Guiao's best legacy in the PBA especially when giving orders to his players:

EUGENE TEJADA.

Anonymous said...

LIFETIME BAN FOR ARBOLEDA! PLAYERS MUST PLAY AND ENTERTAIN. THEY ARE NOT THERE TO FIGHT AND BOX SPECTATORS. WE PAY FOR THEIR LIVING.

j_myxx said...

@pakshet101
thanks for reminding me. that was a real tragedy, man.

j_myxx said...

@anonymous
do you think the players realize that the fans do, indeed, pay for their living? if all the fans decided to stop patronizing pba games, they wouldn't have any basketball-related work. this doesn't excuse fans from poor behavior, of course. but still, the players, and the teams, are where they are because of the fans.

Bench said...

there are a lot of people to blame here.

wynne arboleda, for coming into the game packing a lot of heat. we saw it in the gilas-powerade game (when he and kerby raymundo were clearly irritated by mac baracael's style). for the derek fisher elbow on casio. for the sahod.

yeng guiao, for not realizing early that arboleda was probably frothing at the mouth and had his bullseye already set on jv and mac.

katigbak, for running his mouth all game long, hurling expletives, and when he was finally confronted by arboleda, froze like a pussy. he flashed the finger too afterward, but did it when he was surrounded by security. if you're going to curse at someone, you better take responsibility and man up for it. paying customer or not.

the araneta security- katigbak should've been warned and singled out early. as a fan of the game, i dont like being seated beside someone so boisterous. para kang nanonood ng sine, tapos katabi mo e ung kung ano ano ung sinasabi. tao lang naman ung mga players, mali man si arboleda, mali din si katigbak.

the pba for selling courtside seats. you're risking brawls, injuries and the like. kahit gaano pa kamahal ung ticket na yan.

imagine if bono, quinahan, belga, taulava and other pba heavyweights dive into the first row-- you're putting a lot of fans at risk point blank. it's cool seeing it in the NBA with shaq diving and all, pero sa totoong buhay, swerte ka ng hindi mabalian sa ganon.

still, take nothing away from the game. once all the b.s. was set aside, gilas was shown as a very raw team that couldn't defend.

casio was solid, but do you really think he can shoot over 6"3 pgs?

tiu is a mess and cannot defend anyone. yap and miller. now it's buenafe and david who took turns lighting him up.

plus japeth aguilar was just plain ugly to watch. the 3s are nice. pero walang galaw to speak of. belga put him to school.

j_myxx said...

@bench
true. plenty of blame to go around.

i had a lot of doubts about casio on the gilas team. mostly, about his size. his presence, though, i think is predicated on the fact that he shoots very very well. the offensive system, when run properly, should allow jv to take open shots, and not ones that he has to take over 6'3 guys.

i must say, i'm pretty pleased with what casio has shown so far.

tiu, we think, is really there for marketing purposes. chris has never been a great defender, and he'll be very much undersized if he continues to play the 2 for gilas. i think hes playing heavy minutes because he's been there longest.

guys like, ababou, cawaling and rabeh havent practiced with the team for a bit of time, and all 3 looked real lost in the system last night. thats okay. they have the time to grow into that system.

all of the guys who have been exclusive with gilas the past few months (casio, tiu, baracael, ballesteros) are exceeding expectations. because, cmon, really, who expected much from these four? did anybody really think casio and tiu would combine for 49 point in their pba debut?

now, if you can get a similar transformation from the new kids (barocca, ababou, rabeh, and even japeth and cj) then this team is going to start to look better.

i agree that japeth is a little ugly to watch. but i think no one can discount the value he gives to the team. the outside shooting will be important in the international game. and while he isnt a great one-on-one defender, i think once they get the defensive system running, his ability to bother shots as a help defender will be on display more than his man defense.

good experience overall for gilas, though. i dont think they came into this with the expectation to beat every pba team. its still fairly early in the program, after all.

j_myxx said...

@bench
nice blog, btw. interesting comment about mark yee. haha. dude was trying to intimidate katigbak as officials pulled arboleda away. he should be given a slap on the wrist for that kind of conduct as well, but i have to agree. must be nice to have someone like that on your side.

Anonymous said...

I stopped watching PBA for sometime because it just doesn't click for me anymore. There are no franchise players. Everybody gets traded. But when I heard of this Smart Gilas team, which had my man JV Casio playing, I decided to watch. But then this had to happen.

Wynne Arboleda is a thug. I can't believe that Ron Artest's actions at the palace were toppled. What the fan did, is what a fan does, yes he cursed alot, but don't we all? Some guy in the upper section might be jawing at BK too. If you watch a Denver Broncos-Oakland Raiders game, cursing is considered normal. Raiders fans hates everyone but hates the Broncos a million times more. But do you see a Denver lineman charging to the stands just because he saw a guy flipping him? No. Everybody flips everybody. And in a basketball game, it's nothing personal because he's a fan and just curses anyone outplaying his team. But if you say so, fine, ban him. But ban Arboleda too. He's a pro, pro players should never listen to opposing fans. Kobe Bryant will always be called a rapist in Colorado, but he doesn't care. He drops 40 in Denver and silence them with dagger 3's. That's what a professional should do. Whatever the fan did, no matter how bad the things he said, it's verbal. A verbal response is the necessary action. Never physical. Yes, a ban may be too harsh but a 5 year suspension is too lenient for what he did.

j_myxx said...

@anonymous
you should be glad to know that casio is the leading scorer of the PBA, then. sure, its only been one game. but its still true.

interesting pov you have on the fan experience. i do agree that in many places, cursing is considered a part of being a passionate fan. and true, athletes should not take that personally. i think that a certain level of decorum is necessary, considering that basketball games are held in public venues, sometimes attended by families. but i respect your point of view. cant say i havent done a bit of cussing myself, especially when i watch games on tv.

nice references. i think that nba (or nfl) players are more used to it because of the home/road experience. since most of the games here are played at araneta, our players dont know what its like to play in front of a rowdy crowd on the road, where the biggest compliment, actually, is you getting booed or cussed out. that meant you were doing something right.

trix said...

yeah a 2 year ban may be enough for katigbak if he rushed to attack arboleda. my point is to give me a punishment that will be enough to make him learn his lesson. I think Wynne's going to learn his lesson because basketball is his job. w/o a ball in his hands, he won't have his own source of income. if we ban katigbak, what will he lose? not much really.

@bench
yup, japeth really looks ugly. he can't even defend beau begla. he really needs to improve his one-on-one defense. Tiu? His leadership can help. he might eventually be replaced in the starting 5 when the other guys get to show off what they can really do. regarding casio, its all about the system making up for their lack of everything (size, talent, athletism). sbp doesn't really have much of a choice. the pba will never lend their players for a whole year. . lets just all HOPE that the system will be enough to carry these young kids.

j_myxx said...

@trix
wynne arboleda is an able-bodied man. barring him from the pba is not tantamount to keeping him from a livelihood. its just keeping him from being a millionaire. big difference, dont you think?

j_myxx said...

and imo, its way to early to judge gilas. the bad thing about their beatdown of powerade is that expectations have been raised. but remember, how many guys have been with the team for over two months? that just four guys. everybody else have only just begun to learn (or at least, re-learn) the system.

and that's exactly what this stint is for. smart gilas isnt out to win these games. theyre out to learn from them. they can lose every game and it can be a success. in the same way, they can win every game from this point on and it could be a failure.

too early in the process. lets give them a little more time before giving them a fair assessment.

Anonymous said...

No please, no lifetime ban. Just send Arboleda to jail.

j_myxx said...

is that a possibility? i believe the fan headed straight to the central police district to file charges against arboleda. could wynne actually be in for some jail time?

Anonymous said...

wynne arboleda is married to a lina...he definitely won't be poor even if he gets suspended for a long time.

PinoyApache said...

Next time you do something stupid against a professional, you should be prepared to receive a stupid something. Let this be a lesson to those would-be hecklers: if their fists don't smoke as fast as their mouths they better shut up.

trix said...

yes he won't be a poor man but it would suck if don't have your own job. a suspension if 3 -4 years might be equal to a lifetime ban as after 3-4 years, he'll be N years old and no one will probably sign him anymore.

i must admit myself that i expected more from them knowing they beat the hell out of powerade.

Anonymous said...

@ bench: Did you even realize that most, if not all, bench players, coaches, etc. approached the fan while Arboleda was throwing all his punches? Who in his right mind would fight back? Even if the fan stood up and fight for himself (and not be a "pussy"), don't you think he will, all the more, endanger himself? Don't you think these BIG MEN wouldn't join Arboleda? That's what I call presence of mind.

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there are a lot of people to blame here.

wynne arboleda, for coming into the game packing a lot of heat. we saw it in the gilas-powerade game (when he and kerby raymundo were clearly irritated by mac baracael's style). for the derek fisher elbow on casio. for the sahod.

yeng guiao, for not realizing early that arboleda was probably frothing at the mouth and had his bullseye already set on jv and mac.

katigbak, for running his mouth all game long, hurling expletives, and when he was finally confronted by arboleda, froze like a pussy. he flashed the finger too afterward, but did it when he was surrounded by security. if you're going to curse at someone, you better take responsibility and man up for it. paying customer or not.

the araneta security- katigbak should've been warned and singled out early. as a fan of the game, i dont like being seated beside someone so boisterous. para kang nanonood ng sine, tapos katabi mo e ung kung ano ano ung sinasabi. tao lang naman ung mga players, mali man si arboleda, mali din si katigbak.

the pba for selling courtside seats. you're risking brawls, injuries and the like. kahit gaano pa kamahal ung ticket na yan.

imagine if bono, quinahan, belga, taulava and other pba heavyweights dive into the first row-- you're putting a lot of fans at risk point blank. it's cool seeing it in the NBA with shaq diving and all, pero sa totoong buhay, swerte ka ng hindi mabalian sa ganon.

still, take nothing away from the game. once all the b.s. was set aside, gilas was shown as a very raw team that couldn't defend.

casio was solid, but do you really think he can shoot over 6"3 pgs?

tiu is a mess and cannot defend anyone. yap and miller. now it's buenafe and david who took turns lighting him up.

plus japeth aguilar was just plain ugly to watch. the 3s are nice. pero walang galaw to speak of. belga put him to school.

Anonymous said...

I say do what the NBA did to Ron Artest-- suspend him for the rest of the season without pay with a hefty fine besides.

Besides, I'm sure the KL Dragons are looking for a Pinoy import after that debacle with the Brunei Barracudas.

j_myxx said...

its nice to see many different opinions on the comments. its nice that all views are represented.

@trix
there are a lot of jobs available, even after three years. remember that when they were setting up the abl, people were considering vergel meneses or alvin patrimonio as the cornerstone of the patriots. haha. im sure wynne can find one easy. he's a very good player.

j_myxx said...

@pinoyapache
i guess thats a good lesson for those who heckle non-stop, as well. dont dish it out if you cant take it, right?

j_myxx said...

@anonymous
kl dragons, yeah. maybe even the slingers. they have just one in al vergara. but imagine if they go after a jason castro-type talent again. actually, all of the abl teams could use pinoys as one of their three southeast asian imports. get rid of the scrubs at the end of the roster and get a fringe pba player. plenty of pinoys plus 2 american imports make for some pretty high level of play, dont you think?

Anonymous said...

No lifetime ban, but jail time yes.

Anonymous said...

arboleda for some reason just might opt to be a security detail at his father in-law's BK chains of resto around the metro...this dumbass shouldn't play in a professional league, maybe in the ufc where alot o' bad-ass wannabe like him might get a beating himself...

j_myxx said...

@anonymous
a little off-topic, but wth. ive been a huge fan of the ufc for quite some time now, and i have to say, you'd be surprised at the level of professionalism these guys bring to the table.

the big criticism about mma being essentially, human cockfighting, is usually thrown around by people who are ignorant about the sport. it is indeed a legitimate sport with some amazing athletes that truly deserve respect.

anyway, wynne's meeting with the commish is tomorrow, so lets wait and see what the verdict turns out to be.

Anonymous said...

I am wondering what Burger King Management is thinking now.

Considering that Arboleda is a son-in-law of Bert Lina, that should really pose a big problem for Lina on a personal level.

Since BK is a joint venture among legendary businessmen with MVP on board, let's see how objective their decision will be in the next few days.

The character of BKs Head Coach manifesting itself in his players' rough and tumble style is the kind that will not help them sell more burgers.

It will also be very interesting if McDonald's or Jollibee will treat Burger King's PR problem as a worthwhile opportunity to gain a market advantage or treat BK as a 3rd rate opponent unworthy of their time and money.

Anonymous said...

B.K. is Bugbog King

Anonymous said...

Wynne Arboleda = 2nd coming of Rudy Distrito

j_myxx said...

@anonymous
im sure lina and bk management will stick by arboleda. i dont know how bad this will be for bk outside of basketball, though. i mean, nobody will be going into burger restaurants worried that a waiter will suddenly jump the counter and start pounding on them. haha.

j_myxx said...

is arboleda as bad as distrito? is anybody as bad as distrito, for that matter?

Anonymous said...

Stupid stupid Arboleda. He should have known better.

Public backlash from the Aguilar Saga, now this fan mauling incident.

I predict next year, the franchise will drop BK as its corporate name.

Anonymous said...

ban arboleda & yeng from pba. they don't deserve to be there. in rudy saluds time, no player get spared once they start hitting somebody!!! and no players hit on fans!!! not even the jaworski who never ends a day without hearing profanities on his glory days... i bet he even had the worst beating of profanities ever.

Anonymous said...

The fan never fought back, but Arboleda kept on beating him. I'm sure it will be very hard for the judge who will be hearing this case not to notice this.

j_myxx said...

yep, burger king has been in the headlines quite often this year, and mostly for the wrong reasons. but hey, you cant say their stint as a corporate sponsor hasnt given them loads of exposure. their name has been out there.

Anonymous said...

j_myxx: I agree with most of your comments. But not all exposure is good.

What transpired last week is something different. We are just not sure if people are aware and would make a moral stand against BK. But Lito Alvarez and his gang have become infamous lately - I have heard a lot from basketball loving Pinoys.

I did not like Jaworski back during his hey days. But I am now beginning to appreciate his respect for fans in spite of the many people who have given him much worse than what Arboleda had from Katigbak.

With regards to Distrito, we know what happened to him and where he is until now. A basketball player who gloried in his bad boy reputation and later on suffered the consequences for killing another human being.

God won't be mocked.

j_myxx said...

thanks, anonymous. i do agree that jaworski likely received at least equal amounts of abuse and kept his cool. that something you have to respect. and really, thats something arboleda and other "enforcers" have to learn. if you're going to play it rough, know that you wont be liked. dont blow yout op when you see people against you. expect it.

and yeah, its sad that distrito carried over his bad boy persona off the court. now hes paying for it.

btw, if there are commenters out there interested, there's a drop down menu under the comment box that says "comment as" you can select the name/url option so you can put a name on. hehe. lots of anonymous commenters so i dont really know if ive spoken to you more than once. it might make conversations more interesting.

Anonymous said...

'' huwag ka mang basto sa kapwa tao mo, at mas lalong wag ka dami sat2x pero hindo mo pala kaya kapag balikan kana, ang basto mo bro, dapat si aborleda maparusahan, at si katigbak also, para babae ang bunganga parang hindi tunay na lalakwe....

j_myxx said...

the verdict on wynne is out, apparently. its a suspension for the rest of the season plus a 20K fine.

no word on katigbak, though. pba should reach out to him and make him understand he was at fault too, i guess.

Anonymous said...

Commenter Bench sounds like Mark Yee or someone from the Burger King PR team tapped to take up the cudgels for the embattled organization.

Oh well, here's my two cents: In a more business-minded point of view, Burger King as a BRAND also suffers here - and let's remember two of the major objectives of companies joining PBA are to advertise their products (via exposure of name, logos, etc.) AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, to SUPPORT & ENHANCE THEIR IMAGE or in a more technical term, their BRAND (via team's performance in the league (winner vs loser image), the players' attitude while in the game and OUTSIDE of it during fans day etc.., and overall, the way the entire organization conducts itself).

So, here's my bomb: Who eats at or support Burger King now? Thugs, bullies, and punks like Arboleda, Mark Yee, Ronnie Matias too? I mean man, everytime I hear Burger King now, I see Arboleda's devilish look as he attacked not only the fan, but the players of GILAS esp. Mac Baracael (Buti na lang at SIYAM ata ang buhay ng batang ito!); I see hooliganism; I see violence; I see Yeng Guiao's menacing stare and his hairraising coldness/indifference as he saw GILAS players falling hard one by one because of his players blows and as he saw Arboleda attacking the fan (putcha ni endi man lang umawat!); I see all those dirty fouls; I see nothing but bad images. You may say but not all people see that way; only basketball fans like you. Correct, but how many basketball fans are there in the country? MILLIONS. We will not be called a country where basketball is religion for nothing.

Pare naman, mas wholesome pa ang mga players ng Barako Bull saka Ginebra eh sa mga ito eh. The feeling for me is like seeing that infamous "Jollibee scandal" again after growing up seeing all those wholesome Jollibee commercials and playing with Jollibee and the other mascots! Dba Jollibee = family, wholesome. That's THE BRAND. So, nakakadisorient dba!? NakakaB*RAT! Disgusting! Kaya you can't blame Jollibee if the company spent MILLIONS just to mitigate the effect of that "scandal" or even stop/eliminate it forever.

MOREOVER, SUSPENSION kasi is like saying, okay man you erred so I will suspend you..but you are still with us. You ARE STILL PART of this organization.

Now, here's the deal: The PBA, headed by no less than Burger King head Lito Alvarez, threatened to ban-for-life Japeth Aguilar for "bastardizing" the PBA draft rules. NOW, here's Arboleda almost single-handedly destroying the integrity of the PBA and ending the careers of some of our brightest young prospects in the game! Here's Arboleda BASTARDIZING not only that particular game, but the entire PBA and in more ways than one, the SPORTS itself! And then, you will just suspend HIM FOR ONE YEAR! ONE EFFIN YEAR!

For me man, it doesn't speak so highly about the PBA and the principles it really stands for.

This time, PBA's integrity is TRULY ON THE LINE HERE and that of Burger King and Lito Alvarez - well, at least for me, my family and many of my friends. But of course, it's just me and us.

BUT NOW I CHALLENGE LITO ALVAREZ, show me here that you will really do everything to protect and preserve the integrity of the PBA, just what you have been implying when Japeth Aguilar WAS AT THE VERGE OF "bastardizing" the PBA DRAFT RULES. I believe Arboleda ACTUALLY committed a much graver sin.

(PS: By the way, during the heydays of the original "bad boys" Jaworski's Ginebra/Anejo, can you guys remember a player attacking a fan? PBA then was cruder pa ha. Oh well, just thought of it.)

~UGARON ASIN PARAISIP

Anonymous162009 said...

I also watch live ball games and jeering is sadly just normal. I have heard and seen more loud/boisterous fans esp in UAAP games but I can't remember any incident as such has ever happened.

We watch live ball games to be entertained... for good quality basketball games... and I think the players owe it to the paying patrons.. So here's a question to everyone... DO YOU THINK THE GAME LAST FRIDAY WAS GOOD QUALITY BASKETBALL GAME?

A reaction to Caidic's statement that profanity is not allowed in Araneta. I THINK IT'S TIME FOR HIM TO CHECK AGAIN... NOTHING ON PROFANITY HAS BEEN MENTIONED OR EVEN POSTED ON ARANETA'S PREMISES.

Also, I may have read in this blog or others that it is difficult to stomach all the jeering of Katigbak since Arboleda's family was watching LIVE. I hope he also realizes that Katigbak's family could also be watching and even otherwise, the gravity of his actions will haunt Katigbak's family.

FANS JEERING DOESN'T GIVE HIM THE RIGHT OR LICENSE TO MAUL THEM!

j_myxx said...

dude naman, i used to like eating at burger king. they're the only fast food place that serves onion rings. after your very detailed comment, each bite will remind me of yeng guiao and wynne trying to end baracael's career. haha. you ruined it for me, man.

but kidding aside, its true that this is a PR disaster. both for the league and for BK. its very possible that basketball fans choose to eat somewhere else because subconsciously, they dont like the brand it has built.

and isnt it just so ironic that they were the very franchise throwing around the idea of banning a player not so long ago.

j_myxx said...

@anonymous162009
i think the difference is if you're at a UAAP game and there's a crowd of people shouting all sorts of things at you, its difficult to take it personal.

katigbak was easy to single out because it was just him screaming at wynne. i think thats what got to him.

anonymous162009 said...

A friend was there last friday and it wasn't only Katigbak who was cheering and booing BK's dirty plays esp Arboleda's. I think he was the easiest target, that's why.

j_myxx said...

@anonymous162009
is that so? i guess he was the easy target, then. so your friend didnt find katigbak offensive? ordinary, run-of-the-mill, passionate fan, you think?

Anonymous said...

Its a matter of time before Burger King USA gets to act decisively on this. The story and video even caught the fanhouse.com website.

The video might also be a good material for McDonalds.

Anonymous said...

That Arboleda guy is just plain stupid. He said that he was insulted by Katigbak all through out the game. Katigbak he said insulted his family, and his team. So? Does that give you the right to attack Katigbak with a kick to the ribs and blows all over his head? You are just plain stupid, man, really, really stupid. You are a shame to your family, your team, and to the league. O ano ngayon, suspended ka ng buong season. Kulang pa nga yun. YOU DESERVE A LIFE TIME BAN. YOUR LICENSE MUST BE REVOKE BY THE GAMES AND AMUSEMENT BOARD. And all because you cracked. And for a veteran player to cracked up just like you did, well you also deserved tro be called S-T-U-P-I-D. OUT WITH WYNNE ARBOLEDA. BAN HIM FROM PLAYING EVER AGAIN IN THE PBA OR ELSEWHERE.

Anonymous said...

Maybe we can write Burger King USA about this shameful incident initiated by a supposedly veteran and more mature player. These players headed by a coach many people don't love are really destroying Burger King's image here in the country. Or maybe someone starts an online petition. I mean, do Lito Alvarez know anything about PUBLIC RELATIONS & CSR!?

By the way, what will that arrogant crap-mouthed Mark Yee get? Nothing!?

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Anonymous said...

Oh by the way, speaking of the Jaworski days, there was once a basketball fan who attacked Jaworski at the Ginebra bench and hit him on the face. Fortnately for that fan, Jaworski nor any in the Ginebra bench tried to get back at him. He was just restrained by security men. And Jaworski even pardoned his attacker. Ironically, that man was a fan of Jaworski. His reason for attacking his idol was that he was disappointed over the way the Ginebra team was losing that season. Anybody remember that incident?

Anonymous said...

BOYCOTT BURGER KING!

You support BK, you condone Arboleda! You buy a BK burger, you buy in the dirty plays of the Burger King thugs! You bring your friends to BK, you're okay with Yeng Guiao leading a team who almost destroyed our NATIONAL TEAM! The team composed of young players who let go of their own PBA and other personal ambitions just to REPRESENT THE COUNTRY and CARRY OUR FLAG in international competitions!

The mere fact that a lot are still complaining despite the decision of the PBA, it only shows that the decision was not yet FAIR. It's not yet the right call.

Besides, how can we be sure that BK will not accomodate Arboleda during his suspension considering Arboleda is a son-in-law of the majority owner of Burger King? So therefore, Arboleda will not learn his lesson. Other players will not learn from this incident.

That's why Katigbak should really still pursue the case against this thug Arboleda!

BOYCOTT BURGER KING!

Anonymous said...

Hey GUYS GO HERE:

Fanhouse and Timesnews have Arboleda's story:

http://www.timesnewsnetwork.com/winnie-arboleda-attacks-pba-fan-incident-video/

http://backporch.fanhouse.com/2009/10/18/basketball-player-wynne-arboleda-attacks-fan-in-philippines/

j_myxx said...

guess its turning out to be a PR disaster for BK more than we thought it would be. all this talk of writing BK in the USA and boycotts of restaurants would surely have negative effects on the company.

now this is a topic im unsure of what to say on, but it sure is interesting to see what people have to say on the matter. should burger king the restaurant be dragged into the faults of burger king the basketball team?

that would be a big deal if it did happen. and the company better think of a quick response for this.

i doubt the US company hasnt heard of this yet, though. as the last commenter has posted, its been making the rounds on some non-RP related websites.

j_myxx said...

dont remember that particular jaworski incident, but yeah. i guess he did reserve his antics for on-court stuff. the way it should be.

Anonymous said...

yes that incident happened,j_myxx, I just can't remember the exact year it happened. That year was a very, very, dissapointing one for all Ginebra fans as the Ginebras were losing every games they played. They were always at the cellar. That was why this disgruntled Jaworski fan was so mad at his idol that he went straight at their bench and hit Jaworski. Jawo never hit back, he even went to the police station (the fan was brought there by the ULTRA security) right after the game to forgive his attacker. It was there where he learned that he was a fan of his. Many may hate Jaworski during his heydays, but Jawo never, ever, hated his distractors. He has a soft spot in his heart when it comes to basketball fans. I should know, he was my idol then and use to watch every Ginebra games. I got plenty of signatures of his. As for this Arboleda guy... he should be banished once and for all. No place for him in the world of professional basketball or anywhere else. Banned him for life. He deserved that punishment, nothing less.

snakerattle79 said...

nung bench player palang to si Arboleda tahimik at humble pa to pero nung naging starter at nabigyan ng opportunity sa national team eh sumobra ata yung yabang, kung tutuusin kulang pa nga yung penalty ng PBA sa kanya kasi di nya alam na ang mga fans ang nagpapalamun sa kanya at sa kanyang pamilya

Anonymous said...

Its quite obvious for Arboleda to become a starter and get a spot at the national team. He is the son-in-law of bert lina... majority owner of the burger king franchise in the philippines...coached by the infamous yeng guiao also coach of the national team........ quite natural to suck up to the owner of the company your working for by giving his son-in-law a starters job....

j_myxx said...

@anonymous
interesting stuff. nice to see a side of jawo like that.

@snakerattle79
you think that powerade stint could have something to do with it? maybe gone to his head a little?

Anonymous said...

Arboleda is a pure asshole....

Anonymous said...

Ban for life? For me it's ok. Wynne will not be missed :-) He's not that good as a player. He's a total jackass. He better take care of his TAXI business :-) Go back to your Momma sick Arboleda!

Anonymous said...

wynne, you should remember youre not even good playing basketball it was your wife's connection that put you through it. you are only pangulo for the players (teams) that really puts the game to their hearts and efforts. you are only playing so you can hurt someone and put them on injury list and perhaps early retirement.. anyway the MMA are looking for people like you should join them in the near future...you never deserve to play in the PBA anyways but as i said you got connections..

j_myxx said...

sounds like he'll be fine financially regardless.

but i dont know about the "he isn't even a good player" comments. wynne's pretty good, especially on defensive end.

anonymousbk said...

Has anyone from the PBA management, Burger King team nor Arboleda's side made an attempt to reach out with the fan? This could be one of the reasons why Katigbak is pursuing his case.

anonymous162009 said...

They were not seated close to each other. But he said, from where he was seated, there were also jeering and cursing coming from different directions.

j_myxx said...

@anonymousbk
i dont know if theres going to be common ground in this situation though. wynne is filing countercharges so obviously, he thinks he's been wronged as well.

@anonymous162009
yep. one should expect the jeering. but from the video, it lookes as if there werent a lot of people in the area, so i guess katigbak could stand out as the loudest mouth there.

Anonymous said...

if hatton needs a good trainer it should be katigbak, he has good defense putting his hands up to cover his face

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